tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post115370703893491998..comments2023-07-24T05:43:13.332-07:00Comments on Catholic Comuter: The Communion of Saints: We don't worship Mary and the SaintsROCCO DE LEOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08685426797666009390noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-17543890755075611562014-04-26T01:44:50.202-07:002014-04-26T01:44:50.202-07:00Catholics do NOT worship idols.
Deut. 4:15 - fr...Catholics do NOT worship idols. <br /> <br />Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw "no form" of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him. <br /> <br />Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn't yet reveal himself visibly "in the form of any figure." <br /> <br />Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times. <br /> <br />Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc). <br /> <br />Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment "thou shall not make a graven image" is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped. <br /> <br />Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. <br /> <br />Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural. <br /> <br />I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship. <br /> <br />2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images. <br /> <br />1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.<br /> <br />2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold. <br /> <br />Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches. <br /> <br />Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the "image" (Greek "eikon") of the invisible God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-40510559138774472062014-04-26T01:39:27.641-07:002014-04-26T01:39:27.641-07:00We do not worship idols. We do not even have idols...We do not worship idols. We do not even have idols. <br /> <br />We have a few images of Jesus Christ, God the Son. And we have a few images of people we love and respect, our family and loved ones in heaven. <br /> <br />A little girl kneels beside her bed saying her nightly prayers. Is the little girl kneeling to the bed? Is the bed an idol? Of course not, the little girl is kneeling and praying to God. <br /> <br />A family bows their heads and prays over their evening meal. Is the family bowing to their food? Is this food an idol? Of course not, the family is bowing and praying to God. <br /> <br />A mother kneels in prayer before a cross and prays that her son in Afghanistan will be safe. Is the mother kneeling to the cross? Is the cross an idol? Of course not, the mother is kneeling and praying to God.<br /> <br />Do you have pictures of your loved ones? Have you ever looked at the picture of someone while talking on the phone to them? Is the picture an idol? <br /> <br />Statues, pictures, and symbols of people we love are not idols. <br /> <br />Statues, pictures, and symbols of Jesus and the saints are just like pictures of the people we love and respect. <br /> <br />The King James Version of the Bible states in Exodus 20:4: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" <br /> <br />Why were the Jews commanded not to make graven images? Graven images were the standard method of pagan worship. They were representations of false gods. <br /> <br />This is a very clear command. <br /> <br />However God commanded the Jews in Exodus 25:18 and 1 Chronicles 28:18–19, "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them" <br /> <br />And in 1 Kings chapter 7 Solomon made bulls and other images out of precious metals. <br /> <br />It seems obvious that the Jews did not worship the cherubims and Solomon did not worship the bulls he had made. These images did not violate the command of God. Therefore, an image not made for worship is acceptable. <br /> <br />In Numbers 21:8-9, "And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a seraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover." Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered." <br /> <br />And in John 3:14-15, Jesus says in correlation, "And just as Moses lifted up the [image of a] serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." <br /> <br />How can a statue of our Lord Jesus Christ dead on the cross be considered an idol to a false god? A crucifix is the message of the Gospel without words held up for all to see, a visual reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus, no different from a painting, a play, or a movie. <br /> <br />How can a nativity set set up in your house to constantly remind you and teach your children of God's love for us be idolatry? <br /> <br />Catholics do not worship statues but the almighty God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. <br /> <br />With love in Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-42292318201080230282014-02-03T17:10:33.635-08:002014-02-03T17:10:33.635-08:00The people who reject the idea head on has no righ...The people who reject the idea head on has no right to do so unless they learn from the church they are rejecting. I think this makes perfect sense. Thank you for putting this situation in explainable words.Gatsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-45661231657245542862012-12-25T21:15:41.008-08:002012-12-25T21:15:41.008-08:00I have heard these arguments from Catholics so man...I have heard these arguments from Catholics so many times. They do pray to Mary and those they call saints. We are to have no intercessors but Jesus Christ. Mary was totally human, a sinner in need of a saviour as we all are. The RCC readily admits to changing the 10 commandments, changing God's Sabbath to the first day of the week, claiming the Pope as infallible, bowing to idols and statues, and the list goes on and on. The book of Revelation tells us to 'come out of her lest you share in her iniquities'. The 'her' is the RCC. Do not align yourself with this false religion. This antichrist will lead you to perdition. I pray daily for the souls that are lost following the doctrine of man instead of the Word of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-26035907448210959772011-11-04T15:49:30.758-07:002011-11-04T15:49:30.758-07:00From Latin venerātus, perfect passive participle o...From Latin venerātus, perfect passive participle of veneror (worship, reverence).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-79236270671284656352010-02-26T17:12:11.605-08:002010-02-26T17:12:11.605-08:00Take it all to Jesus, He said give me all your joy...Take it all to Jesus, He said give me all your joys and sorrows, and He will lighten your burdens and will forgive your sins because He died for iniquity. Bible says to pray in His name and in no other.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688202055649163596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-47975533836309077922010-02-26T17:02:15.874-08:002010-02-26T17:02:15.874-08:00Praying to Mary and other dead people is idolatry....Praying to Mary and other dead people is idolatry. The bible speaks against it. It is dangerous because it allows satan to enter in and take over your life. In the novena to Mary it says "mother we come to you on our knees sinful and sorrowful, we dedicate and consecrate our lives to you." This is absolute idolatry and it is dangerou because you are allowing satan to take control. You don't need to go through dead people and yes Mary is just as dead, in order for Jesus to do something. Those who are alive pray for each other, and this is good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688202055649163596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-26710557318703646702009-07-16T07:03:17.392-07:002009-07-16T07:03:17.392-07:00I am very sorry that you feel that praying to sain...I am very sorry that you feel that praying to saints and Mary for intecessionary prayer is somehow needed. As if Jesus dying on the cross was not enough for us to feel that we should go to him directly in prayer! Nowhere in the bible did Jesus say anything about interc. prayer when it comes to conversation with him and God. I pray that the holy spirit guides you away from this false practice.<br /><br />Do your research and you will discover that this idea of Mary was not embraced by everyone in the middle ages. Need proof that Mary was not to be venerated? Look at what Jesus told his followers: Luke 11:27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave birth and<br /> nursed you", He replied "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it"<br /><br />What was Jesus' attitude toward Mary being recognized by other Christians? She was to be recognized as a regular Christian, <br />in fact, he even said that we Christians are in leaque with his earthly family if we follow him (Matthew 13:55) <br />"Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" "Here are my mother and brothers, pointing to the crowd" "For whoever does<br /> the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."<br /><br />May God lead your footsteps closer to him.<br /><br />God bless you,<br />SumikoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29633052.post-1153765748116565932006-07-24T11:29:00.000-07:002006-07-24T11:29:00.000-07:00Nicely done, Commuter. We can use all the folks w...Nicely done, Commuter. We can use all the folks we can get helping to explain those things in our faith others find difficult to understand.frivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16673516548120384012noreply@blogger.com